tag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:/discussions/problems/831-tenfourfox-for-g4-ppc-not-working-with-facebook-hotmail-and-a-few-css-heavy-sitesTenFourFox: Discussion 2014-04-04T09:10:14Ztag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/323266282014-03-30T18:03:30Z2014-03-30T18:03:30ZTenFourFox for G4 PPC not working with facebook, hotmail and a few css heavy sites<div><p>A screenshot would be helpful. We have many users who use
Facebook and Hotmail regularly and they perform correctly, so this
is probably something on your end. Make sure you are using 24.4.0,
and you might try with a clean profile (see How to reset your
profile at the lower right).</p>
<p>TenFourFox has no dependencies on the JDK, so that's not the
cause, and it will not run Java applets in any case.</p>
<p>Please note there is no support for Intel Macs running
TenFourFox; you're on your own there.</p></div>Cameron Kaisertag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/323266282014-03-30T18:20:32Z2014-03-30T18:20:32ZTenFourFox for G4 PPC not working with facebook, hotmail and a few css heavy sites<div><p>I use Facebook every day with TFF for G4 and G3 and even manage
several Facebooks groups and fan pages. Everything is rendered
correctly. The only issues are that you'll have to use the basic
(non-Flash) photo uploader, and that videos won't work (download
them with <a href=
"http://www.downvids.net">http://www.downvids.net</a> and watch
them locally).</p></div>Chris (chtrusch)tag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/323266282014-03-31T00:58:09Z2014-03-31T00:58:10ZTenFourFox for G4 PPC not working with facebook, hotmail and a few css heavy sites<div><p>Hi, cameron</p>
<p>One other thing is we keep getting prompted to trust SSL sites;
although<br>
many of these sites are valid - i.e. google.com</p>
<p>Please find attached various screenshots - same issue across
these sites;<br>
some css just does not load and as a result some buttons and links
are just<br>
not layed out properly or invisible - example is this gmail account
I am<br>
e-mailing you from.</p>
<p>Version: TenFourFox for G4 PPC 7450 (i.e. PowerPC G4e).</p>
<p>Installed version 24.4.0 (image of about box attached).</p>
<p>Thanks,<br>
Emanuel</p></div>Emanuel Koseostag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/323266282014-03-31T01:08:07Z2014-03-31T01:08:07ZTenFourFox for G4 PPC not working with facebook, hotmail and a few css heavy sites<div><p>The screenshots are consistent with a style sheet failing to
load. This is usually a network problem, and the fact that you are
being asked to confirm SSL certificates for sites that shouldn't
need confirmation strongly suggests your network connection is
unreliable and/or untrustworthy. You should never be asked to
confirm a certificate for a major site like Google and any
certificate impersonating Google is not only bogus but almost
certainly malicious.</p>
<p>I would try testing on another network connection apart from the
one you are using to see if the problems reoccur there. However,
the fact that you have trusted certificates that could be
compromised or malicious makes me strongly advise you to start from
scratch -- by deleting the Library/Application Support/Firefox
folder entirely. This would remove all your settings, bookmarks and
add-ons, but would also remove any bad certs you have accidentally
accepted, and any malicious cookies which may have been
inserted.</p></div>Cameron Kaisertag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/323266282014-03-31T01:13:44Z2014-03-31T01:13:45ZTenFourFox for G4 PPC not working with facebook, hotmail and a few css heavy sites<div><p>I have attached web-kit errors observed in gmail for tenfourfox
ppc 7450</p>
<p>Emanuel</p></div>Emanuel Koseostag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/323266282014-03-31T01:16:21Z2014-03-31T01:16:21ZTenFourFox for G4 PPC not working with facebook, hotmail and a few css heavy sites<div><p>Those are irrelevant to this problem, and are expected because
Mozilla browsers don't know webkit-prefixed CSS properties.</p></div>Cameron Kaisertag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/323266282014-03-31T01:29:29Z2014-03-31T01:29:30ZTenFourFox for G4 PPC not working with facebook, hotmail and a few css heavy sites<div><p>sorry forgot to reply above this line - here is some additional
information:</p>
<p>OS: Leopard 10.5.8<br>
System: ppc7450 G4e</p>
<p>TenFourFox version 24.4.0</p></div>Emanuel Koseostag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/323266282014-04-01T21:15:29Z2014-04-01T21:15:29ZTenFourFox for G4 PPC not working with facebook, hotmail and a few css heavy sites<div><p>Have you had a chance to figure out my problem - would like to
stay eith<br>
ppc system and am looking to<br>
buy two more if I can get the basic web sites working ?</p></div>Emanuel Koseostag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/323266282014-04-01T23:07:38Z2014-04-01T23:07:38ZTenFourFox for G4 PPC not working with facebook, hotmail and a few css heavy sites<div><p>Emmanuel, I gave you some places to start looking, but this is
clearly a local issue with your computer and/or your network. I
can't reproduce anything like this on the test systems, nor have I
received any other reports. I'm leaving this ticket open in case
others have something to add, but if my suggestions above don't
help you, I can't assist you further with the information I have
presently.</p></div>Cameron Kaisertag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/323266282014-04-02T05:56:15Z2014-04-02T05:56:16ZTenFourFox for G4 PPC not working with facebook, hotmail and a few css heavy sites<div><p>Hi Cameron,</p>
<p>Just wanted to let you to know that I resolved the issue; the
main issue<br>
was with the local NTP update services (date/time services) on the
laptops.</p>
<p>I reset the date and time as it was not automatically being
synced. I<br>
remember in Tiger network time clients used to lose
synchronization, so<br>
revisited this same issue for Leopard and a few Tiger laptops -
there were<br>
about 5 people that were experiencing the same issue.</p>
<p>Once that was done followed by a reboot; time sync'd and the css
sheets<br>
loaded properly; I suspect SSL certs failed as the browser was
detecting<br>
they were expired with an incorrect date set to a future date -
this in<br>
turn impacted the loading of live content (jquery, css, etc);ntp
issues<br>
would also impact any location, timezone, cookies and the HTML5
storage api.</p>
<p>this explains why I could see simple HTML5 content but not
increasingly<br>
complex content.</p>
<p>I ran this script to test the NTP server - one I wrote a while
back:</p>
<ol>
<li>reset ntp.conf to:</li>
</ol>
<p>server time.apple.com minpoll 12 maxpoll 17</p>
<ol>
<li>setup a fallback script</li>
</ol>
<p>#!/bin/sh #</p>
<h1><a name="script-to-enable-time-syncing-on-mac-os-x-" class=
"anchor" href="#script-to-enable-time-syncing-on-mac-os-x-" id=
"script-to-enable-time-syncing-on-mac-os-x-"></a>script to enable
time syncing on Mac OS X.</h1>
<p>if [ <code>uname -s</code> != "Darwin" ]; then<br>
echo "error: script must only be run on Darwin systems" exit 1
fi</p>
<h1><a name="set-this-to-the-ntp-server-hostname" class="anchor"
href="#set-this-to-the-ntp-server-hostname" id=
"set-this-to-the-ntp-server-hostname"></a>set this to the NTP
server hostname</h1>
<h1><a name="an-alternative-time-server-is-also-possible" class=
"anchor" href="#an-alternative-time-server-is-also-possible" id=
"an-alternative-time-server-is-also-possible"></a>an alternative
time server is also possible</h1>
<h1><a name="some-examples-include-" class="anchor" href=
"#some-examples-include-" id="some-examples-include-"></a>some
examples include:</h1>
<h1><a name="pooled-servers-0-1-2-3-0-north-america-pool-ntp-org"
class="anchor" href=
"#pooled-servers-0-1-2-3-0-north-america-pool-ntp-org" id=
"pooled-servers-0-1-2-3-0-north-america-pool-ntp-org"></a>pooled
servers (0,1,2,3): 0.north-america.pool.ntp.org</h1>
<h1><a name="canada-ca-pool-ntp-org-us-us-pool-ntp-org" class=
"anchor" href="#canada-ca-pool-ntp-org-us-us-pool-ntp-org" id=
"canada-ca-pool-ntp-org-us-us-pool-ntp-org"></a>Canada
ca.pool.ntp.org, US: us.pool.ntp.org</h1>
<p># TIMESERVER=time.apple.com</p>
<h1><a name="ntp-conf-data" class="anchor" href="#ntp-conf-data"
id="ntp-conf-data"></a>ntp.conf data</h1>
<p>TIMECONFIG="$TIMESERVER minpoll 12 maxpoll 17"</p>
<h1><a name=
"set-proper-values-in-netinfo-for-ntpd-mac-os-x-10-0-and-10-1-"
class="anchor" href=
"#set-proper-values-in-netinfo-for-ntpd-mac-os-x-10-0-and-10-1-"
id="set-proper-values-in-netinfo-for-ntpd-mac-os-x-10-0-and-10-1-"></a>set
proper values in NetInfo for ntpd (Mac OS X 10.0 and 10.1?)</h1>
<p>niutil -create / /config/ntp<br>
niutil -createprop / /config/ntp server $TIMECONFIG<br>
niutil -resync /</p>
<h1><a name="and-set-file-data-just-in-case-mac-os-x-10-2-" class=
"anchor" href="#and-set-file-data-just-in-case-mac-os-x-10-2-" id=
"and-set-file-data-just-in-case-mac-os-x-10-2-"></a>and set file
data, just in case (Mac OS X 10.2?)</h1>
<p>echo "server $TIMECONFIG" > /etc/ntp.conf</p>
<h1><a name="enable-timesyncing-in-startup-preferences-file" class=
"anchor" href="#enable-timesyncing-in-startup-preferences-file" id=
"enable-timesyncing-in-startup-preferences-file"></a>enable
timesyncing in startup preferences file</h1>
<p>if grep ^TIMESYNC /etc/hostconfig >/dev/null; then<br>
perl -i -ple 's/-NO-/-YES-/ if /^TIMESYNC/' /etc/hostconfig
else<br>
echo "TIMESYNC=-YES-" >> /etc/hostconfig fi</p>
<p>I actually only ran this once and then disabled the script; on
tiget<br>
systems I set it up so it loads permanently, as those systems still
had<br>
issues with the NTP clients.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br>
Emanuel Koseos</p></div>Emanuel Koseostag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/323266282014-04-02T06:34:24Z2014-04-02T06:34:24ZTenFourFox for G4 PPC not working with facebook, hotmail and a few css heavy sites<div><p>Interesting, I never thought of something this simple. I can
verify the Google and Facebook issues exactly with system time set
to, e.g., 2015. Good to know certificate validation and measures
against malicious CSS actually work in TFF.</p></div>Chris (chtrusch)tag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/323266282014-04-02T15:02:36Z2014-04-02T15:02:36ZTenFourFox for G4 PPC not working with facebook, hotmail and a few css heavy sites<div><p>Yes, I probably should have asked if the certificates were
invalid or expired. Good to hear that the issue was just with the
clock. I might make mention of that on the blog. Thanks for
reporting back with your solution.</p>
<p>I will close this ticket as resolved. No further reply is
necessary. If you have something further to add on this particular
issue, any reply will reopen the ticket. If you have a separate
issue, please open a new ticket.</p></div>Cameron Kaiser