I don't have any issues with Gmail. You could try the 17.0 beta
to see if the error message goes away, but the spinning beachball
indicates some other system problem. Which version of TenFourFox
are you using, and how much RAM does your computer have? This
message is being typed on a 12" 1.33GHz iBook G4 with 1.5GB of RAM,
which is not a particularly fast Power Mac, but does have ample
Also make sure you clean out add-ons you're not using, as they
will also drag the browser down.
Thanks for the reply. Not only am I getting the spinning ball,
but sometimes things are so slowed down that letters take a long
time to appear on the screen as I type.
I'll try 17.0 beta gmail, though as you said the problem obviously
extends beyong gmail. As far as I know, I don't have any add-ons.
At least I never enabled any...
I'm using TenFourfox 10.0.10, which I believe is the latest. I
have the 1GHz PowerPC G4, with 1.25 GB DDR SDRAM, 80GB hard drive
(only about 15GB available), running OSX 10.4.11.
Thought I would move my current question over here because my
previous question was resolved. What remains is the gmail message
c. ortiz is getting. I was having a problem with page not loading
with the 17 beta I just downloaded, so I switched back to 10.0.10.
No problem with that now, Gmail is not supporting 17 or 10.0.10.
Yesterday I had no problem using current features of Gmail w your
beta 17 on my g4 iBook 1.33 w 512mb ram & os 10.5.8. Today I am
using g4 ibook 1.2 w 768 mb ram & 10.4.11. So unless gmail made
a change today, why would there be this difference?
Here is Gmail's message: "Some important features may not work
in this version of your browser, so you have been redirected to the
Basic HTML version. Upgrade to a modern browser, such as Google
Chrome." Do you get this message in Gmail, and do you get it with
both 17 and 10.0.1? If you do NOT get this message, with what OS
and machine setup?
In the past several years, I have gotten this message every time
Gmail does an upgrade. Each time, I have had to experiment w
diifferent browsers, sometimes stepping up to a higher system so I
could use a higher browser. Since I do not have an Intel Mac, I am
hoping I am not stuck now, which is why I have found TenFourTen. Am
hoping you will keep upgrading it so it will work w Gmail. Please
understand, Gmail works, it just reverts to its basic HTML version,
which has no features so that is extremely time consuming to
I would not be surprised to see that message with 10.x because
it is indeed an older browser core. However, I definitely do not
get that message with 17. The basic HTML version is definitely
faster, but the full Gmail works fine on this G4. So there is
something different about your system we haven't discovered
Hi Cameron. Just got my g4 1.33 iBook going again. I suspected that I had
not seated the new RAM tightly & wanted to have better daylight to do it
again. So now I have 1.5 gb ram, running os 10.5.8. I am using your 7450
17.0b.1 with no problems yet. Previously it was sometimes quitting for no
apparent reason, but I just started it up. The important thing is I can use
Gmail fine without getting that message that it is reverting me back to the
basic HTML version.
I was running 17.0b2. on my g4 1.2 iBook because I just downloaded it
yesterday. I had reverted back to 10.0.10 because 17 was slow, but I just
restarted 17 and I am getting the gmail message that I need to upgrade my
browser so it is reverting to HTML version. This iBook is running 10.4.11
and has 768 mb ram. The important thing about the ram is that my 1.33 had
only 512 mb ram until just now. I never did have the gmail problem on it,
running any version of TenFourTen from 10.0.7 through 17.0b.1. So this
problem is not due to ram. Obviously, low ram caused slow loading, but it
has nothing to do with the gmail messages.
To summarize, 1.33 ghz iBook OS 10.5.8 has no problems with gmail using
10.07 through 17.0b.1. iBook 1.2 ghz OS 10.4.11 will not run gmail properly
on your 10.0.9, 10.0.10 or 17.0b.2. Haven't tried 17.0b.1 on the older
iBook, nor 17.0b.2 on the newer one. I am not going to change anything on
the 1.33 ghz book now that I have upgraded the ram and it is running fine.
If it starts quitting a lot again, I might download 17.0.b.2.
I only need the 1.2 book w 10.4 to run os 9 when I need to, so may not need
to use it for awhile.
So I have no current problem, but this is FYI for you.
I don't know how to explain those findings other than maybe you
have something stuck in your cache. It might be a good time to
reset your profile, which is easier to do in 17 (better to do it in
17b2, though). Go to Help, Troubleshooting Information, and then
click Reset TenFourFox. This should not affect your bookmarks, but
it may affect settings -- read the confirmation window
As soon as I upgraded my mac to 7450 2, my gmail went crazy. I
don't understand enough of what everyone else is saying to know
what I should think about doing. The spinning wheel is ubiquitous,
both opening incoming emails and trying to compose. This is brand
new as of the 7450 2 download. Any suggestions, besides find
Gmail is definitely slower than it used to be because Gmail is
more complex than it used to be. If the basic HTML version suffices
for you (it does for some people and doesn't for others), it is
significantly faster, but doesn't support everything the full Gmail
does. There's only so much we can do about that.
on 12 Nov, 2012 04:18 PM
Thanks so much for the reply. I had been using tenfourfox 7450 (at least that's how it's labeled), and was urged to download version "7450 2" which I did--whereupon my gmail became so slow as to be unusable. It's just time for a new computer, I guess. My Mac power book g4 without intel has already lost all adobe and YouTube capability.
I don't know what "7450 2" is -- if you have the URL you
downloaded from, I can identify it for you.
Ultimately the G4 is an older design and we should be realistic
about its capabilities. The QuickTime Enabler can show the majority
of YouTube videos, but Flash is long gone on non-Intel Macintoshes.
It's all a matter of what you need to use the computer to do and
comparing the cost of a new machine versus the benefits and
problems that come with it.
on 12 Nov, 2012 05:59 PM
Thanks. I've found that Safari, of all things, will do better for me than
tenfourfox, so I'll just hang in a while longer with that. But it is
definitely new computer time. I appreciate you confirming that for me.
I just wanted to add in that I have a Mac Mini with Mac OS X
10.4.11; 1.42 GHz PowerPC G4; 1 GB DDR SD RAM.
Machine Name: Mac mini
Machine Model: PowerMac10,1 CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (1.2) Number Of
CPUs: 1 CPU Speed: 1.42 GHz L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB Memory: 1 GB
Bus Speed: 167 MHz Boot ROM Version: 4.8.9f4
I have had the same problems (spinning wheel, super slow letters
appearing when I'm typing often, frequent "Stop Script"
directionwhen using Gmail recently too. I thought it might be the
v.10.0.10 of TenFourFox not working with my ancient
computer/processor. I thought I'd try going back to version .9 even
if security isn't as good. I will try the HTML option for
Beyond that, please explain what "the 17.0 beta" is and where I
can find it, if you think it might help?
on 15 Nov, 2012 02:58 PM
I don't know what "17.0 Beta" is either--it must have been in response to
my query. I have a Mac OS X 10.5.8 1.67 GHz Power PC G4, and I just gave
up on TenFourFox and went back to Safari--which is working amazingly well
for gmail and most other things. You might give it a try.
17.0 will be released in its completed form early next week, so
I would advise hanging on for that if you wish to try it. (There
will also be a 10.0.11, but that will be the last release of the 10
series.) 10.0.10 has only minimal changes from 10.0.9, and this
message is being typed on a 1GHz iMac G4, which is slower than both
of your systems, so I really don't have an explanation for either
Let me be specific. Gmail, both the regular and the basic HTML
versions, work on my 1GHz iMac G4 with 17.0. It has 1.25GB of RAM
That said, yes, the regular Gmail is slow. It takes up to a
minute to get into it, and around 15-20 seconds for the compose
window to appear. However, it does work, and I can send and receive
E-mail from it. If I used Gmail regularly, I would probably stick
with the basic HTML version, but the regular version works as well.
So I would expect your systems, which are faster, to do better than
this one. They may not do a LOT better, but they should be somewhat
The usual suggestions apply: as much RAM as you can put in it,
eliminate the use of add-ons that you don't need (these slow
TenFourFox down to a variable degree), make sure you don't have
other things in the background stealing CPU cycles, and adjust your
processor performance in System Preferences if you are able to do
Thanks, Cameron. FYI, if you have never had Gmail revert to the Basic HTML
version, you probably don't know that it is virtually useless. Can be used
in a pinch only, but not for daily email. That's why you are getting
questions about this.
I am currently using the 17 beta v1 with OS 10.5, which is quitting pretty
frequently. I'll wait and download the non-beta 17 and hope it resolves
Yes, I am aware of what the basic HTML version does not support
relative to the full client, and I'm sure there are many (including
yourself) for whom it is inadequate. However, that doesn't mean it
serves no purpose for all users, and for basic use it will work
To be quite honest, based on your description I don't anticipate
the final 17 working any better for you -- I have received no other
reports of frequent "quits" other than yours, so there are no
specific stability changes other than the bug fixes Mozilla has
made since then. Some users have reported that plugins seem to
crash in 17 more than 10, but we have not supported plugins since
version 6 and if you have enabled them, you are using an
unsupported configuration at your own risk. If you haven't, I can
only gently suggest you may be happier with another browser.
TenFourFox and Safari are no longer supported by Google's Gmail. I cannot upgrade beyond OS 10.4.11 on my iMac PPC without losing software I can't upgrade. Is there a email program I can use? There's no help over at Google. I'm unable to upgrade past tenfourfox 31.7.0 also, have always been able to upgrade tenfourfox until last upgrade.
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on 17 Nov, 2015 07:35 PM
For those using G5 PowerPC in iMac or PowerMac units an option
may exist in the install of a second OS X on partition, to run 10.5.8.
Given enough RAM (my G4 Mini Late 2005 1.5GHz PPC w/ 10.5.8
is clearly limited to 1024MB total) or inclusion of faster SSD or HDD
of quicker action to facilitate Virtual Memory (file swaps to/from HDD)
the option to use SeaMonkey for PPC (different than official Mozilla)
is very limited, too; this in part because the only PPC build is Slow.
For those using somewhat unsupported browsers, you can trick
Gmail to letting you use them w/o bare-look plain html default by
changing the browser identify string. Some you can do this with,
others not so much; Safari lets you do it for the present session &
only one web mail page. It will revert to the one Safari shipped with.
Older FireFox can be set to hide its identity; but this does make them
any more insecure online. I use seamonkey 2.13 or 2.16 for ppc, at
times, and TenFourFox v 38.4 does ok in 10.5.8 w/ 1GB RAM. My
mini G4 will spin up its HDD to access temp swap files, & run warmer.
iCab can use different browser identity strings; but if you change the
version it appears to be, only old versions of different strings appear.
And this does not make them any more secure, hiding their identity.
Good luck with the results of having fair hardware being left behind! :)