tag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:/discussions/problems/9053-netteller-considers-ff45-too-old-to-support-ends-my-online-bankingTenFourFox: Discussion 2021-04-25T17:47:06Ztag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/487375552020-11-10T16:04:27Z2020-11-10T16:04:27ZNetteller considers FF45 too old to support; ends my online banking<div><p>I've got TenFourFox sending a Fx78 user agent, and that doesn't change anything. What was the user agent Waterfox is sending?</p></div>Cameron Kaisertag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/487375552020-11-10T16:07:14Z2020-11-10T16:07:14ZNetteller considers FF45 too old to support; ends my online banking<div><p>OK, this works for Pale Moon and Waterfox, but not TenFourFox. I give up.</p></div>Chris (chtrusch)tag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/487375552020-11-10T16:08:40Z2020-11-10T16:08:40ZNetteller considers FF45 too old to support; ends my online banking<div><p>It doesn't matter on Waterfox which FF useragent. FF4 or 82 or 78. EG<br>
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/78.0</p></div>Chris (chtrusch)tag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/487375552020-11-10T16:16:59Z2020-11-10T16:16:59ZNetteller considers FF45 too old to support; ends my online banking<div><p>Also, SeaMonkey doesn't send a Firefox user agent, and that does work.</p>
<p>The other possibility is WebGL. It's trying to instantiate a context. I believe both Pale Moon and Waterfox support WebGL, but TenFourFox can't.</p></div>Cameron Kaisertag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/487375552020-11-11T16:15:50Z2020-11-11T16:15:50ZNetteller considers FF45 too old to support; ends my online banking<div><p>If I disable webgl in Waterfox it still works as long as the 'clean' firefox useragent is selected. It does not work in WF if a SeaMonkey useragent is selected. Gets weirder and weirder.</p></div>Chris (chtrusch)tag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/487375552020-11-19T04:11:52Z2020-11-19T04:11:52ZNetteller considers FF45 too old to support; ends my online banking<div><p>Reporter, after some additional analysis and struggling, I'm going to conclude this is something intentional on Netteller's side. There is no reason why vanilla 45.9 would work but not TenFourFox, and you can see from the testing above that there is no clear pattern to the failures. There are ways to detect that the browser is not the same as regular Firefox 45.9, and I suspect they are doing that and intentionally failing as a misguided security approach to rejecting a hacked or malicious browser (which TenFourFox clearly isn't). While you can point them at this issue for their review, my suspicion is that this behaviour on their end is by design.</p></div>Cameron Kaisertag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/487375552020-11-19T15:51:41Z2020-11-19T15:51:42ZNetteller considers FF45 too old to support; ends my online banking<div><p>Cameron</p>
<p>Thank you and your staff for pursuing this issue.</p>
<p>Your conclusion is correct, as is obvious from the fact that for over<br>
three years, and until September 2020, TFF and Ntlr interfaced<br>
seamlessly. And, that for a period of several weeks in September,<br>
FF81 was interrupted from its comms with Ntlr.</p>
<p>A final question > By breaking off communication with TFF, is<br>
Nettleller, with its wide business operations on other continents,<br>
going to make any <em>obvious</em> savings, in terms of maintenance, staff,<br>
comms gear, etc ?</p>
<p>Thanks again.<br>
Dr. t</p></div>cal yoopertag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/487375552021-04-25T01:52:18Z2021-04-25T01:52:19ZNetteller considers FF45 too old to support; ends my online banking<div><p>Cameron</p>
<p>Just read your auto-epitaph whilst pursuing the latest .v of the G3 TFF.<br>
You may recall or not the assistance you gave me when a bank services<br>
vendor cut TFF & me off from a couple of small banks in the U.P. of<br>
MI.</p>
<p>V.sorry to hear of your departure, tho' I can fully understand your<br>
reasons. Had no idea you were such a small "group." Just assumed you<br>
had a team like FFOX. And, in that light, am very impressed with what<br>
you accomplished. However, your decision will leave me a trio of<br>
upgraded G4 desktops [w/ssd's] and save me the rebuild of my PBG4,<br>
which was what drove me back to the dormant Pismo.</p>
<p>To be honest, I was seriously considering an alternate course to<br>
internet access which you appear to have validated, i.e. considering a<br>
used MacBookPro upon which to overlay a decent LINUX operating sys.<br>
The only reason I haven't done it yet is that at 80, with 60 some<br>
years of learning system algorithms, I'm burned out on that. I just<br>
want to focus on my histories of the Mountain Man Era, the Civil War &<br>
Custer [the Unsung Hero of Gettysburg, where there were many heroes]</p>
<p>So, it's farewell to Tiger, G4 and the old Mote chip. And to you,<br>
Best of luck in all your new endeavours, and in whatever nefarious<br>
connections you have to Afganistan.</p>
<p>Ta<br>
Dr. t</p></div>cal yoopertag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/487375552021-04-25T17:47:05Z2021-04-25T17:47:05ZNetteller considers FF45 too old to support; ends my online banking<div><p>Thanks, it's very kind of you to say. Things can't last forever, unfortunately. Yes, it's just a few people and the programming side is largely just me, but Chris T and others gave the project better service.</p></div>Cameron Kaiser