tag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:/discussions/problems/8583-tff-doesnt-open-web-radio-pageTenFourFox: Discussion 2018-04-14T22:55:49Ztag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/449826732018-03-27T18:48:40Z2018-03-27T18:48:40ZTFF doesn't open web radio page<div><p>Confirmed, works in TFF up to v31, doesn't load anything in 38 and later. Regression window is exactly between 31.7.0 and 38.0.1b1.</p></div>Chris (chtrusch)tag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/449826732018-03-27T23:57:47Z2018-03-27T23:57:47ZTFF doesn't open web radio page<div><p>I won't be at my Mac for a week or two. Does this display any error messages in either the browser console, or in <code>Console.app</code>?</p></div>Cameron Kaisertag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/449826732018-03-28T04:35:00Z2018-03-28T04:42:02ZTFF doesn't open web radio page<div><p>Browser console: No error. It displays<br>
<code>GET https://furry.fm/ [120ms]</code> then nothing. Page source at this point for the browser is simply about:blank.</p>
<p>Console.app: Nothing.</p>
<p>Single elements from the website such as<br>
<a href="https://furry.fm/images/furryfmlive_small.png">https://furry.fm/images/furryfmlive_small.png</a><br>
don't do anything, either. TFF simply doesn't connect.</p></div>Chris (chtrusch)tag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/449826732018-03-28T13:46:35Z2018-03-28T13:55:13ZTFF doesn't open web radio page<div><p>Works fine in Firefox 52 ESR Win7.</p></div>Chris (chtrusch)tag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/449826732018-03-28T14:13:40Z2018-03-28T14:13:43ZTFF doesn't open web radio page<div><p>Thank you for your answers. So would you recommend to use one of these old versions, f.ex. TFF 37? (BTW, where can I get these?).<br>
Being a 10.4.11 user, TFF is my only way to connect to the modern internet. :)</p></div>Joachimtag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/449826732018-03-28T16:35:01Z2018-03-28T16:35:01ZTFF doesn't open web radio page<div><p>Joachim, we don't recommend using older versions. We're still in the process of determining what's wrong and how to fix it. This may take a while.</p>
<p>In the meantime, here's the direct streaming link, open with QuickTime player or VLC (or drop the downloaded m3u file onto VLC):<br>
<a href="https://samcloud.spacial.com/api/listen?sid=85768&rid=156094&f=aac,any&br=128000,any&m=m3u">https://samcloud.spacial.com/api/listen?sid=85768&rid=156094&am...</a></p></div>Chris (chtrusch)tag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/449826732018-03-28T17:26:14Z2018-03-28T17:26:14ZTFF doesn't open web radio page<div><p>Thank you very much Chris! I'll be patient :)</p></div>Joachimtag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/449826732018-03-29T19:27:30Z2018-03-29T19:30:14ZTFF doesn't open web radio page<div><p>Still don't understand what's going on. If I ping furry.fm it answers. Traceroute goes down to 85.25.210.172. Furmania.org, hosted at the same server/IP, works. Furry.fm works fine in Safari 5 with latest LWK, but totally ignores our GET request. Changing our useragent doesn't do anything, so it's either a block on the server side (website or Plesk hosting) or something technical we've been lacking since TFF 38.</p>
<p>Joachim, can you confirm the website worked until recently in TFF 38 and later? Or did you update from TFF 31 a few days ago?</p></div>Chris (chtrusch)tag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/449826732018-03-29T19:42:03Z2018-03-29T19:42:03ZTFF doesn't open web radio page<div><p>OK, if I set network.http.spdy.enforce-tls-profile to false it works. I.e. the server at furry.fm is misconfigured. It tries to use AES-CBC-SHA encryption with HTTP/2, which is not permitted. Not our fault, except we're maybe a bit strict in this regard, but I guess that's generally a good thing.</p></div>Chris (chtrusch)tag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/449826732018-03-30T09:36:39Z2018-03-30T09:36:41ZTFF doesn't open web radio page<div><p>Chris, the website worked fine since March 2016 when I found it the first time.<br>
I always used the latest version of TFF, and it worked with every version almost 2 years. My last time I opened the site successfully was about end of february 2018.</p></div>Joachimtag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/449826732018-03-30T10:15:22Z2018-03-30T10:21:24ZTFF doesn't open web radio page<div><p>Joachim, thanks for the info. This is what you can do:</p>
<p>a) Ideally you should talk to the site owner and ask them to configure their server correctly for HTTP/2. If they can't/won't/don't understand:<br>
b) type about:config in the URL bar of the browser, search for<br>
network.http.spdy.enforce-tls-profile<br>
and double-click it to set it to false. This way you'll make TenFourFox a little bit less secure but more compatible with furry.fm.</p></div>Chris (chtrusch)tag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/449826732018-03-30T10:20:38Z2018-03-30T10:20:38ZTFF doesn't open web radio page<div><p>Cameron, what's to do? To disable HTTP2 and force the server to use HTTP 1.1 or the old spdy implementation (like TFF 31, that's why furry.fm still works in that version) doesn't seem like a good idea. To disable all old AES-CBC-SHAs would force servers to use more recent encryption methods, which works with furry.fm but would probably break other sites. Defaulting to network.http.spdy.enforce-tls-profile=false would allow servers to smuggle in old encryption with HTTP2. There's really no good solution to this.</p></div>Chris (chtrusch)tag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/449826732018-03-30T10:55:43Z2018-03-30T10:55:43ZTFF doesn't open web radio page<div><p>Chris, what <em>exact</em> cipher does it negotiate (Command-I, security tab)? On this Firefox on an Intel MacBook, it negotiates ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384. That matches the cipher list the server appears to export, and is not a TenFourFox supported cipher. However, the server should also support TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256, and TenFourFox <em>does</em> support that. Is there a change in the cipher it negotiates between FPR7b1 (which has an additional CBC-SHA cipher to get Amtrak working) and FPR6? The best solution might be issue 480: <a href="https://github.com/classilla/tenfourfox/issues/480">https://github.com/classilla/tenfourfox/issues/480</a></p></div>Cameron Kaisertag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/449826732018-03-30T11:00:06Z2018-03-30T11:00:06ZTFF doesn't open web radio page<div><p>(For reference, here is the SSLLabs analysis: <a href="https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=furry.fm">https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=furry.fm</a> )</p></div>Cameron Kaisertag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/449826732018-03-30T12:17:11Z2018-03-30T12:17:11ZTFF doesn't open web radio page<div><p>Provided network.http.spdy.enforce-tls-profile is set to false:<br>
TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA is negociated for both FPR6.1 and FPR 7b1.</p></div>Chris (chtrusch)tag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/449826732018-03-30T16:39:42Z2018-03-30T16:39:43ZTFF doesn't open web radio page<div><p>Chris, thank you very much! This works fine. For the moment, I will chance this setting when I want to visit this site, after I will activate it again. This is not big business.<br>
Thanks a lot to the support theam, you help to keep our good old PPC macs alive!</p></div>Joachimtag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/449826732018-04-10T21:17:11Z2018-04-10T21:17:11ZTFF doesn't open web radio page<div><p>Confirmed that adding support for ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 fixes the reported site as per issue 480, so this will be part of FPR7 beta 2.</p></div>Cameron Kaisertag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/449826732018-04-14T22:55:45Z2018-04-14T22:55:45ZTFF doesn't open web radio page<div><p>This is now in FPR7b2: <a href="http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/2018/04/tenfourfox-fpr7b2-available.html">http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/2018/04/tenfourfox-fpr7b2-available....</a></p></div>Cameron Kaiser