Unable to connect to ANY SITES with latest update FPR6.1!

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creativecongruence

18 Mar, 2018 08:40 PM

I have tried everything to get your new Parity Release FPR6.1 to work on my Mac G4 though all the other releases have worked just fine. I definitely have the right version of this release for my Mac, I haven't changed any of my Network Settings, and I have no add-ons but this new version cannot connect to - or load - anything. If the Update corrects an urgent Security issue I definitely need and want it but nothing I do can make it work. I'm attaching screenshots related to this and hope someone can help me resolve this soon.

Please respond here.

Thank you.

  1. Support Staff 1 Posted by Chris (chtrusch... on 18 Mar, 2018 09:10 PM

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    If it was only https sites you can't connect to I'd say, check your system clock. But since www.tenfourfox.com is also affected, I'm not sure what to say.

    Which TFF version did you use to post this? If previous versions work, first I'd try and re-download the FPR6.1 version from Sourceforge. Also check the firewall settings and make sure apps like Little Snitch don't interfere.

  2. Support Staff 2 Posted by Cameron Kaiser on 19 Mar, 2018 12:42 AM

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    I test the builds on both the internal and external networks, and I can't reproduce this now or previously.

    I checked and tenfourfox.com is properly redirecting, so it's not a server issue on this end.

  3. 3 Posted by Steve on 19 Mar, 2018 08:49 PM

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    Can't get into the amtrak web site withthe recent ten four fox bro3wser app and the one before it -- FPR 6 and FPR6.1.

    This is the error message:

    Your connection is not secure

    The owner of www.amtrak.com has configured their website improperly. To protect your information from being stolen, Firefox has not connected to this website.

    Learn more…

    Report errors like this to help Mozilla identify and block malicious sites

  4. Support Staff 4 Posted by Cameron Kaiser on 20 Mar, 2018 01:34 AM

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    Steve, that is a different problem. Amtrak appears to have recently changed their site to severely limit the ciphers that can be used to connect to it and these ciphers are not yet supported by TenFourFox. You can follow that issue here: https://github.com/classilla/tenfourfox/issues/489

  5. 5 Posted by creativecongrue... on 20 Mar, 2018 02:20 AM

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    Thanks for your help.

    I removed the "User Agent Switcher" add on which was very useful for me on
    all other TenFour Parity Releases (though we were advised that TenFour
    didn't support add ons, prior to this version, it did, at least for
    me)...and then started from scratch with the Zip file. I also made sure to
    "Allow" Parity 6.1 in Little Snitch. And finally, it's working!

    My concern is that I won't be able to log into Target.com, Costco, Con Ed
    and Spectrum and a handful of other sites with Parity 6.1 as I could only
    access these with a User Agent Switcher add on identifying my browser as
    Firefox on OSX or Linux. I'm not in the biz so I don't know why these
    sites only worked with the Switcher Add-on and I while I haven't tried
    logging in to these places with 6.1, but I'm worried that I may not be able
    to. If I can't I'll *have* to use earlier releases of TenFour (up to
    Parity 5) despite the Security Risk(s) as I have to complete transactions
    on the sites. Amazon, of course, works with any and every browser - even
    Shira - but the sites I noted have never been accessible to me without my
    Agent Switcher add-on masking TenFours identity. Also none of the sites
    noted could be accessed with any of the Agent Strings in Preferences. But
    hopefully none of these will be issues with Parity 6.1

    All this being said, I'm really thankful for you folks working so
    diligently to keep us PowerMac'rs digitally alive and well, and though I
    wish TenFour was faster, supported add-ons, etc. etc., you definitely
    deserve props for developing - and maintaining - this overall fine browser.

    Appreciatively,

    Paulie

  6. Support Staff 6 Posted by Cameron Kaiser on 20 Mar, 2018 02:37 AM

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    Paulie, two things:

    • TenFourFox does support add-ons, just not plug-ins (they aren't the same). Note that add-ons are supported "best effort" only, i.e., we can't test the entire gamut of them and we can't guarantee that one that worked with Firefox 45 will work with TenFourFox, though we won't do anything to intentionally disable them unless it's necessary.

    • I'm surprised that particular add-on caused your symptoms. Fortunately, you have an alternative: TenFourFox has a user-agent switcher built-in. For more information, see this URL: https://tenfourfox.tenderapp.com/kb/general/using-the-tenfourfox-pr...

    If the built-in user-agent switcher is not sufficient for your purposes, try re-enabling that add-on. I'm not convinced it's actually the cause, though anything is possible.

  7. 7 Posted by Steve Warshaw on 20 Mar, 2018 02:43 AM

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    Cameron,

    Thank you!! Can I assume that sometime down the road TenFourFox will be configured to provide that cipher support?

    In the meantime ---- now that I have this connect with you -- I wish to tell you how much I fully appreciate the fabulous job you and your people are doing providing and maintaining TenFourFox and its variants for the 7450 PPC. I have two such machines running OS 10.4 and 10.5, and a third one has an Intel running its version of 10.5 (which could use a "fox" update...)

    Why I have these laptops -- they take a basic interpreter ("Chipmunk Basic") which I use to recode and run old Fortran mainframe programs and new spinoffs of such, and that gives me the willies when I think back on how I used put those to use on the CDC 7600 and Cray-1.

    Best regards,

    SteveWarshaw

  8. Support Staff 8 Posted by Cameron Kaiser on 20 Mar, 2018 03:02 AM

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    Steve, yes, I'm looking at a possible fix. I'm glad the browser otherwise works for you. If the fix I have in mind does allow access, it will be deployed in FPR7 (scheduled for May 5 or 6 parallel with Firefox 60). If you need this sooner, there will be a beta in a couple weeks.

  9. Support Staff 9 Posted by Chris (chtrusch... on 20 Mar, 2018 09:47 AM

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    Paulie, I'm pretty certain the cause for your original problem was Little Snitch, and that you'll be able to log into your sites with FPR 6.1 with User Agent Switcher now that you've allowed FPR 6.1.

  10. 10 Posted by Steve Warshaw on 20 Mar, 2018 11:19 AM

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    Cameron,

    Muchas gracias. I'm not suffering too badly right now -- my wife's granddaughter upgraded to a Macbook Air thanks to "Nana" continuing two decades of spoiling her, and I "inherited" her MacBook Pro with the Sierra OS. I can log into AMTRAK with it until you release FPR7.

    I would be pleased to beta test FPR7 on the AMTRAK access issue if you provide me with it.

    You might be amused to hear the the only problem I have with Sierra is cutting its options back to get the "Tiger-Leopard" 10.4 - 10.5 feel I'm used to.

    Steve

  11. Support Staff 11 Posted by Cameron Kaiser on 20 Mar, 2018 04:05 PM

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    I would be pleased to beta test FPR7 on the AMTRAK access issue if you provide me with it.

    Betas are regularly posted to the development blog when they become available. Feel free to follow along: http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/

  12. Support Staff 12 Posted by Cameron Kaiser on 25 Mar, 2018 08:59 PM

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    Steve, FPR7 beta with the fix for Amtrak is now available from the link in my previous post: http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/

  13. 13 Posted by Steve Warshaw on 26 Mar, 2018 03:38 AM

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    Cameron,

    Ten Four Fox Feature Parity Release 7 works! I can log into the AMTRAK.com site now and set things up.

    I have not yet completed a reservation and actually gotten train tickets, as I'm not quite ready for that yet, but so far it looks good. The only thing now different is that AMTRAK totally revamped its site and its new version is pretty sluggish on my G4 PPC compared to the previous version they had going (before all this hoo-ha when they reinvented the site and bumped Ten Four Fox FPR6 (and Opera) in doing so).

    I'll continue to run with FPR7 on my G4 10.5.8 PPC and let you know of any issues.

    I'll also load it on my older Macbook PPC running OS 10.4 and see how that works there too.

    Thanks again --

    Steve W

  14. 14 Posted by Steve Warshaw on 26 Mar, 2018 03:43 PM

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    FPR7 beta running good so far -- normal usage.

    S.

    From: "siw" <[email blocked]>
    To: "Cameron Kaiser" <[email blocked]>
    Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 11:38:32 PM
    Subject: Re: Unable to connect to ANY SITES with latest update FPR6.1! [Problems #8575]

    Cameron,

    Ten Four Fox Feature Parity Release 7 works! I can log into the AMTRAK.com site now and set things up.

    I have not yet completed a reservation and actually gotten train tickets, as I'm not quite ready for that yet, but so far it looks good. The only thing now different is that AMTRAK totally revamped its site and its new version is pretty sluggish on my G4 PPC compared to the previous version they had going (before all this hoo-ha when they reinvented the site and bumped Ten Four Fox FPR6 (and Opera) in doing so).

    I'll continue to run with FPR7 on my G4 10.5.8 PPC and let you know of any issues.

    I'll also load it on my older Macbook PPC running OS 10.4 and see how that works there too.

    Thanks again --

    Steve W

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