(W/r/t your other request, I can only add participants, not
remove them. I have added your in.a.small... address. Feel free to
remove this one when you are signed into that account.)
The [A] problem is a bad font which Apple appears to be
coincidentally using now. Reverting won't help; this has to be
blocked in the browser. I'll add it to the block list for 45.8.
That is now github issue 347 on the worklist: https://github.com/classilla/tenfourfox/issues/347
I'm not able exactly to understand what you are referring to
with your bookmarks or the full screen question. Please be more
in a small town...
on 26 Jan, 2017 07:42 PM
As suspected, a recent implementation of Apple Fonts appears to
be the bad player behind how the Apple sites flaky look and all
those missing Text items with the latest TenFourFox 45.7.0 build.
At least with my G4 Mini 1.5GHz running Leopard 10.5.8.
The problem isn't the browser, it's a bug in Apple Type Services
(i.e., the OS). Every other version of TenFourFox will render it
the same way because it's actually ATSUI doing the font management.
The fix is to tell ATSUI not to try and to fall back on a different
font, which is what Safari 5 and Leopard Webkit do automatically,
but we need a manual blacklist to maintain 10.4 compatibility.
in a small town...
on 30 Jan, 2017 01:31 AM
About the time this bug appeared, Apple introduced the SF Pro and other fonts
on their Apple.com site pages. Some pages render correctly anyway, so those
who still do must not have been upgraded (or messed up) yet. 'Contact US at
Apple.com' still works, and presents correct readable text.
Certain pages first load visible fonts instead of the place-holder 'boxed Latin A'
while others directly go to those, without showing any expected text/fonts. This
in SeaMonkeyPPC and TenFourFox. As time rolls on, one could expect fewer of
those Apple.com pages that do load to fail. Unless Apple implements a fix.
The first loading english text actual fonts that are readable, look essentially the
same in TenFourFox/SeaMonkey as those presented in stable form in Safari 5.0.6
but instead of staying as readable font in TenFourFox, those get swapped out with
the black icon A. Slow internet connections allow correct text to be seen, first.
Helping Apple product users on their corporate discussions ASC site, when the
bookmarked content is used as reference (and double-checked to authenticate
content still exists and is related to previous bookmark) is almost impossible as
these references cannot be copy-pasted from Apple Support documents and
be assured they are even fully working references, now. Following example of SMC
reset page cannot possibly be of help if one had to copy paste a section; or if on
faith alone, thought the official site had not changed.
Apple won't fix it. As Cameron said, this will be fixed in the next version of TenFourFox. Until then you can temporarily set
gfx.downloadable_fonts.enabled = false
in about:config to be able to read help pages.
in a small town
on 30 Jan, 2017 10:04 PM
This change (double-click) in about:config TenFourFox set the item
to 'false' from previoius 'true' and most Apple.com pages render in
an adequate way; subtle icons in their pages go missing. But this
is satisfactory until such time as later TenFourFox offers correction.
At least now when I offer suggestions to others using Apple Support
articles, their text can be copied/pasted &/or screenshots are legible.
Mike, if you know more sites that are affected, please list them here also. The fundamental problem, as you commented correctly, still exists and can, as far as I understand, not be solved easily (or at all). So, all that can be done for now is to add the affected sites or fonts to a blacklist that will be updated in the next version of TenFourFox following the report.
BTW if you just need to read the text and don't care for formatting, you can simply click View>Page Style>No Style on such sites.
on 05 Mar, 2017 08:42 PM
Chris, I haven't seen an other "nasties" yet.
This mail is mainly to show that my email adress is working.
Am 05.03.2017 um 20:04 schrieb Chris (chtrusch):
> From: Chris (chtrusch) (Support staff)
> Mike, if you know more sites that are affected, please list them
> here also. The fundamental problem, as you commented correctly,
> still exists and can, as far as I understand, not be solved easily
> (or at all). So, all that can be done for now is to add the sites or
> fonts to a blacklist that will be updated in the next version of
> TenFourFox following the report.
> BTW if you just need to read the text and don't care for formatting,
> you can simply click View>Page Style>No Style on such sites.
in a small town...
on 05 Mar, 2017 08:54 PM
The other sites affected appear to some aspects of those
using ARCPublishing software, where odd icons replace
arrows that one clicks on to activate features, etc.
washington post uses this, adn.com does, among others.
Seems to me one may investigate if the secondary effects
of the small icon failure to render can be offset by another
change in the default similar to gfx.downloadable_fonts.
enabled = false, where other gfx.downloadables are present
as noted in about:config browser settings.
I've not updated TenFourFox as of yet; may do so, to take
advantage of any other fixes as they present themselves.
Thank you for the additional information per this issue; most
of the problems are due to Apple's changed default fonts.
Few or no ASC apple discussions users have mentioned this
however if their PPC Mac had major issues in rendering Apple
Sites to the degree I've noticed, they'd be unable to read/post.
Thanks again for your efforts to keep these older product systems
able to access an increasingly changed (not necessarily better) web.
Tried to post this twice, using TenFourFox/Box and gmail. Not sure
if the incoming update to this thread bumped my addition. If by
chance there may become two similar posts from me, feel free to
remove the older or less complete one. I'd tried adding attachments.
in a small town...