tag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:/discussions/problems/8336-facebook-the-delete-keyTenFourFox: Discussion 2017-01-25T19:05:58Ztag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-15T20:09:42Z2017-01-16T02:47:15ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>The delete key does not function properly on the facebook
comment entry area. It only deletes one character then does not
work again. It also does not delete a surname when chosen from the
suggestion window. This only occurs with Tenfourfox and has been
this way for many revisions. Tested on the same machine with Roccat
& it works as expected.</p></div>pjpreillytag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-15T20:35:25Z2017-01-16T02:47:15ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>This is the G4 7450 version on ibook G4.</p></div>pjpreillytag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-15T21:02:50Z2017-01-15T21:02:51ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>I have the same issue using ten four fox on my powerbook g4 on
facebook. Cannot use the delete button, but up until recently I
could. delete button works fine everywhere else. Any idea?</p></div>annrigbytag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-15T21:57:08Z2017-01-15T21:57:08ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>I have no idea why this is or what can be done, I can only
suggest to use ctrl+a and then start typing again (which is what I
usually do on Facebook or any small text entry field), or to use
foreward-delete (fn+delete on a notebook keyboard).</p></div>Chris (chtrusch)tag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-15T22:04:54Z2017-01-15T22:05:31ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>I don't have a Facebook account, so I can't evaluate or debug
this. If there is another site people observe similar behaviour on,
please advise.</p>
<p>One thing that would be very helpful is to determine at which
point the behaviour changed.</p></div>Cameron Kaisertag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-15T22:09:34Z2017-01-15T22:09:34ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>Also, on this page, which uses Facebook comments outside of
Facebook, I am able to backspace normally. Does it do the same for
you?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pe.com/articles/lake-823083-elsinore-water.html">http://www.pe.com/articles/lake-823083-elsinore-water.html</a></p></div>Cameron Kaisertag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-15T23:01:18Z2017-01-16T02:47:16ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>If i type in "nnnnnnnnnnn" then hit the delete key fast some n's
are deleted but others are not & the cursor ends up with n's on
both sides of it. This isn't correct either but in a different
manner.</p></div>pjpreillytag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-15T23:05:57Z2017-01-16T02:47:16ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>...further testing on that page shows the delete key works once
& subsequent pushes have no effect.</p></div>pjpreillytag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-15T23:17:14Z2017-01-16T02:47:16ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>I'm able to reproduce the same issues in that comment section of
this page in safe mode: <a href="http://www.pe.com/articles/lake-823083-elsinore-water.html">http://www.pe.com/articles/lake-823083-elsinore-water.html</a></p>
<p>The problems occur if you pause for a few seconds before using
the delete key.</p></div>pjpreillytag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-15T23:21:40Z2017-01-15T23:21:40ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>On both my quad G5 and iMac G4 (running 10.4.11), I visited the
PE page linked above, typed 'nnnnnnnn' into the comment box, waited
10 seconds, and then hit DELETE repeatedly. No deletes were missed
on either computer.</p>
<p>Since you say it occurs in safe mode, then that would make
add-on interference unlikely. Does it also occur with a clean
profile and default settings?</p>
<p>Are your computers 10.5? If you have a 10.4 system, does it
occur there too?</p></div>Cameron Kaisertag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-15T23:28:40Z2017-01-16T02:47:16ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>I installed a clean profile recently to no avail. It occurs on
both 10.5 & 10.4 on the same machine.</p></div>pjpreillytag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-15T23:41:02Z2017-01-16T02:47:16ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>For what it's worth the repeat key function on this tenfourfox
page paints one character at a time but on the facebook comment
space it paints about 6 characters at a time(bursting them), pauses
and then 6 more & so on.</p></div>pjpreillytag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-15T23:48:41Z2017-01-15T23:48:41ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>I can see that if I hold the key down, but the delay simply
seems to be a regular garbage collection pause. The Facebook
comment box is actually calling a somewhat heavy script for every
character entered, so more frequent pauses for garbage collection
would be absolutely normal behaviour. I don't think that is related
to the main problem you reported with your DELETE key.</p>
<p>Unfortunately I don't have any other suggestions right now.</p></div>Cameron Kaisertag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-15T23:58:37Z2017-01-16T02:47:16ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>Should I try an older version? Which version should I start with
& what progression from there?</p></div>pjpreillytag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-16T00:19:55Z2017-01-16T00:20:43ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>38 was when we introduced the new JIT (though the fact you say
safe mode doesn't fix it tends to exonerate the JIT) and 45 has a
number of other changes, so I'd look at the final versions of 31
and 38 as a comparison point. If the problem is still in those
versions, I would start to wonder if you have a local issue like
some system keyboard extension with clashing settings.</p>
<p>Assuming you do find an older version where the problem doesn't
manifest, just go version by version from there.</p></div>Cameron Kaisertag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-16T00:53:33Z2017-01-16T02:49:46ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>"......get out of the house! The call is coming from INSIDE of
the house!"</p>
<p>Turns out you have to be logged into facebook no matter what
page you are on for the problem to occur. I got logged out on an
older version & it worked fine until I logged back in,
so...................................</p>
<p>This might be a good time for a Tenfourfox facebook page?</p></div>pjpreillytag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-16T02:48:05Z2017-01-16T02:48:05ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>Although I sympathize with the problem, I regard Facebook's
usage of personal information to be unethical, which is why I
deleted my account and I won't use them or services they own. If
the problem is strictly limited to being logged into Facebook, I'm
not recreating an account merely to test a service I personally
refuse to use.</p>
<p>If you can find a page that does not require being logged into
Facebook that <em>does</em> show the problem, however, I will
evaluate it.</p>
<p>It's still worth finding the regression range (i.e., the point
at which it stopped working), though. Even if I can't/won't
reproduce the problem on a local testing machine, I might still be
able to narrow down the potential issue. By testing it with safe
mode you've exonerated the JIT and add-ons, so it now becomes
possibly a system integration issue or a DOM events issue.</p></div>Cameron Kaisertag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-16T02:54:52Z2017-01-16T02:54:54ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>U could setup a dummy account for testing purposes. Maybe learn
some things you or others might want to or need to know?</p></div>pjpreillytag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-16T03:22:29Z2017-01-16T03:22:30ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>I tested as far back as 31.8,0 & when logged in it doesn't
work correctly. Let me know if you want me to test anything else
otherwise I've exhausted my investigation.</p></div>pjpreillytag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-16T04:00:06Z2017-01-16T04:00:06ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>That's an incredibly long time for that issue to be present and
no one to notice. The only other thing I can think of is testing it
against 22.0.2, which would have been the last version of
JaegerMonkey prior to switching to PPCBC. If it even occurs there,
I'm not sure what to say.</p></div>Cameron Kaisertag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-16T04:19:35Z2017-01-16T04:19:37ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>Excuse me if I'm being insensitive but if your morals preclude
you from staging a software bug I've tracked down for you most of
this afternoon (It was my pleasure) I will be recusing myself from
any further investigation. I don't need any more reasons not to
turn on my G4 now I have one more.</p></div>pjpreillytag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-16T15:19:02Z2017-01-16T15:19:02ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>It's not the browser that changed, it's likely Facebook. They
changed their text boxes recently (now overlay windows for a lot
more things), and I can well imagine they introduced the bug with
this change. I use Facebook a lot (mainly for community pages I
maintain; my personal profile is largely made-up for privacy
reasons) and I never noticed it.</p>
<p>I'll do some more testing tonight vs Safari 5.x and Firefox 45
ESR on Windows.</p></div>Chris (chtrusch)tag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-16T17:04:45Z2017-01-16T17:04:45ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>The problem doesn't occur on Windows XP (tested FF 38.x ESR,
45.1 ESR and 45.6 ESR).</p>
<p>Further investigation shows: As soon as I start typing in a text
entry field for creating a Timeline post, I see our old friend
popping up in the console:</p>
<p>18:01:43.470 TypeError: asm.js type error: AsmJS not currently
supported on PowerPC; downgrading to IonPower1 _Y7ZxlaR1uE.js</p></div>Chris (chtrusch)tag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-16T19:28:39Z2017-01-16T19:28:39ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>Does Safari 5 also have the problem? This would at least
indicate if it's an endian issue or not.</p></div>Cameron Kaisertag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-16T20:01:24Z2017-01-16T20:01:24ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>Safari 5.0.6 does not have the issue.</p></div>Chris (chtrusch)tag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-16T20:04:21Z2017-01-16T20:04:21ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>Okay, then that makes it most likely something about how we do
DOM events, though that should affect a lot more than just a
logged-in Facebook instance. I tried the Facebook help center, but
the bug doesn't manifest there, along with a few other sites that
use Facebook comments.</p></div>Cameron Kaisertag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-17T00:25:40Z2017-01-17T00:25:42ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>I have noticed when looking through my feed and commenting I
have to press the (ESC) key to continue scrolling down the page
with the "UP and "DWN" arrow keys I'm also getting instances of
correcting mistakes with the (Backspace) key it will only move back
a few letters then hit a brick wall and I will have to highlight
the word then start over. As far as the delete key I have not seen
any problems are you sure it's not the (Backspace) key were talking
about but then again I'm using a windows keyboard on my mac
mini.</p></div>Brian Szemontag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-17T07:31:57Z2017-01-17T07:38:29ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>Windows XP? Really? I'm running ESR on 10.6 32 bit macbook 1,1
if that's relevant for comparison testing. This problem is unique
to this platform from what I can tell.</p></div>pjpreillytag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-17T14:19:41Z2017-01-17T14:19:41ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>Brian Szemon: That key is labelled DELETE (or <--- on Euro
keyboards) for Macs. I've never encountered what you describe about
the Esc key, though.</p>
<p>pjpreilly: I don't have an Intel Mac, I run Virtual PC for
testing with XP, VPC doesn't go any further than that. Please
consider you attitude in wording your replies. We all do this for
free in our spare time. Thank you.</p>
<p>If you can test this on an Intel Mac with Firefox ESR 45.6,
please do. I'm<br>
almost certain, however, that it'll work there.</p></div>Chris (chtrusch)tag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-17T18:32:36Z2017-01-17T18:32:39ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>Chris I've learned something about Euro keyboards today thanks.
Also with the deleting or correcting mistakes with the "backspace"
or "DELETE" key on facebook their is a glitch that prevents you
from erasing or correcting a word their are invisible glyphs that
can't be removed using the "backspace" or "DELETE" key I copied the
test text and pasted it in a new tab and they appear as this
--->"disappear me o" so why these glyphs are showing up when
typing in facebook and preventing corrections using that key is
beyond me. Also the glitch about entering comments then not being
able too scroll using the arrow keys as the prompt is still
blinking in the new comment section bellow after I made a comment.
Moving the mouse to the side a clicking dose nothing but after I
press "ESC" the text prompt disappears and I can scroll again this
just started happening after the recent FB changes this site is
always changing code I've just excepted the glitch or whatever.</p></div>Brian Szemontag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-17T18:36:03Z2017-01-17T18:36:04ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>Interesting the glyphs did not show in my above post when I was
done here is an image of what I mean by glyphs.</p></div>Brian Szemontag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-19T14:46:12Z2017-01-19T14:46:15ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>I have long seen this behavior as well. 10.4.11 G4 desktop dual
mirrored doors, also the 45.6.0 7450 stable build.</p>
<p>"version": "45.6.0", "buildID": "20161209222136", "userAgent":
"Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; PPC Mac OS X 10.4; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/45.0 TenFourFox/7450", "safeMode": true,</p>
<p>Same behavior without safe mode.</p>
<p>Aside: While I understand the aversion to Facebook's policies
and do not disagree, AS A TESTING ISSUE FOR A SOFTWARE DEVELOPER
the site's popularity means your efforts to track this 104f bug
down would be appreciated by nearly every one of your customers. So
thank you for creating a test account on Facebook for this purpose
if none other.</p></div>S.Richardsontag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-19T15:54:49Z2017-01-19T15:56:48ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>I'm going to be painfully direct on this so there is no
ambiguity on what people can expect me to do about this issue right
now: nothing.</p>
<p>TenFourFox was created so that I could have a browser to use on
my Power Mac. That's its only purpose. The fact it is useful to
others means I'll support it to the extent I'm willing to do so,
but I'll decide the priorities I choose. I wouldn't attempt to fix
a problem like this on a porn site or any other site I find
objectionable either. You don't pay me to use this browser and if
you disagree with the way it's maintained and built, you don't have
to keep using it.</p>
<p>In particular, the word "customer" is wrong, plain and simple.
You <em>aren't</em> my customers; you didn't pay me a dime for
this. Whatever level of support exists is purely at my
discretion.</p>
<p>Further statements of disagreement or complaint about this
policy will be deleted because frankly I'm tired of reading them.
Please don't even bother replying in that case.</p>
<p>Right now I'm dealing with the 45.7.0 respin -- which I might
add is several hours of work and about ten hours of compute time
you're not paying me for either -- and I'll look at this problem
later when I can reproduce it in a manner to my satisfaction.</p></div>Cameron Kaisertag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-19T22:46:32Z2017-01-19T22:46:33ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>As for me Cameron, I just appreciate the work and your skills in
making this a viable browser for our old outdated machines at least
that's what apple says lol. But I still use my G4 7450 mac mini
everyday and it's still rock solid after all these years and I
bought mine used. As I said earlier in a post I accept some
glitches and bugs and find ways to deal with them and report them
if absolutely necessary you are a guy just like the rest of us your
time on this project is appreciated by me and I'm sure others
here.</p>
<p>Many Thanks Brian S.</p></div>Brian Szemontag:tenfourfox.tenderapp.com,2012-01-07:Comment/417474922017-01-20T00:05:46Z2017-01-20T00:05:47ZFacebook & The Delete key<div><p>My apologies if I inadvertantly struck a nerve, Cameron. Rest
assured, such was NOT my intent. Wanted to corroborate others'
findings, confirming the bug exists on desktops too if nothing
else.</p>
<p>The aside was just that. `Customers' is how I see myself, and
hopefully others do as well when they pay you compliments or simply
say, "Thank you."</p></div>S.Richardson