TenFourFox 17.0.1 / 17.0.2 Crash Bug

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nanook

14 Jan, 2013 06:11 AM

I'm running now TenFourFox 17.0.2 on a Dual 2 Ghz PowerPC
G5 Mac with 4GB of RAM and Mac OS X 10.5.8.

If I go to Pandora, www.pandora.com, while a song is playing,
click on the More link on the Lyrics section to show full Lyrics, then use
the scroll, to scroll down, it crashes and burns every time.

Firefox 10.0.2, the version that is currently distributed with the
CentOS 6.3 version of Linux, does not have this problem.

  1. Support Staff 1 Posted by Cameron Kaiser on 14 Jan, 2013 04:19 PM

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    Last I checked, Pandora requires Flash to play music, which we don't support or accept bug reports on. If plugins are enabled, the browser is in an unsupported configuration. If this is with plugins disabled, please advise.

  2. 2 Posted by nanook on 14 Jan, 2013 05:28 PM

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    Ok, I'll just accept the fact that this is never going to be a functional
    replacement for Firefox then. I know this is an old antique platform, and if I
    had the funds I'd replace it.

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    On Mon, 14 Jan 2013, Cameron Kaiser wrote:

    > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:19:46 -0500
    > From: Cameron Kaiser
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    > To: [email blocked]
    > Subject: Re: TenFourFox 17.0.1 / 17.0.2 Crash Bug [Problems #321]
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    From: Cameron Kaiser
    Subject: TenFourFox 17.0.1 / 17.0.2 Crash Bug

    Last I checked, Pandora requires Flash to play music, which we don't support or accept bug reports on. If plugins are enabled, the browser is in an unsupported configuration. If this is with plugins disabled, please advise.

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  3. Support Staff 3 Posted by Cameron Kaiser on 14 Jan, 2013 05:33 PM

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    You may find more luck with another browser such as OmniWeb for this purpose. However, do remember that Adobe hasn't supported Power Macs for some time. Good luck.

  4. Cameron Kaiser closed this discussion on 14 Jan, 2013 05:33 PM.

  5. nanook re-opened this discussion on 14 Jan, 2013 05:44 PM

  6. 4 Posted by nanook on 14 Jan, 2013 05:44 PM

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    It is true Adobe abandoned power Macs, so I have a hacked version of
    Flash also. It really comes down to the machine is antiquated and needs to
    be replaced but the funds aren't there so I"m hobbling along the best I can.

         I don't really understand the stance developers have taken with
    TenFourFox. It would seem to me that if you're trying to duplicate the
    functionality of an application like Firefox, you duplicate ALL of it.

         If it's a fork that is intended to go a different direction then
    advertise it as such, not "We're your saviors, Firefox didn't port to the
    PPC but we did it for you" stance.

         I guess also from being a business person, I try to listen to what my
    clients want and provide it and I guess I have this weird belief that open
    source projects, if they're truely to benefit the community, ought to do the
    same, rather than dictating, hey this is what it will do because we said so
    and any input you may have might as well be sent > /dev/null.

         I realize since people aren't getting paid for this they have no
    obligation to do anything for anybody, but I just don't understand why anyone
    would intentionally hobble a functional browser.

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    On Mon, 14 Jan 2013, Cameron Kaiser wrote:

    > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:33:59 -0500
    > From: Cameron Kaiser
        <[email blocked]>
    > To: [email blocked]
    > Subject: Re: TenFourFox 17.0.1 / 17.0.2 Crash Bug [Problems #321]
    >
    > // Add your reply above here
    ==================================================
    From: Cameron Kaiser
    Subject: TenFourFox 17.0.1 / 17.0.2 Crash Bug

    You may find more luck with another browser such as OmniWeb for this purpose. However, do remember that Adobe hasn't supported Power Macs for some time. Good luck.

    View this Discussion online: http://tenfourfox.tenderapp.com/discussions/problems/321-tenfourfox-1701-1702-crash-bug

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  7. Support Staff 5 Posted by Cameron Kaiser on 14 Jan, 2013 05:53 PM

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    Firefox is not Flash. Your beef is with Adobe, not with us. Flash hasn't been maintained, has crash bugs of its own that are not fixed independent of this one, has security bugs that will never be repaired, and many sites no longer support Flash 10.1. Mozilla doesn't maintain Flash, and neither do we.

    This shouldn't be news -- TenFourFox has not supported plugins since version 6 and people turning them back on was always advertised as unsupported. If someone told you this was supported by us, you were misled; there's a reason it's hidden behind a programmer switch. The back door was left as a transitional means which is now coming to an end, and plugins won't work at all in 19+ because Mozilla removed the support for Carbon and QuickDraw plugins which virtually all PPC-compatible ones are based on. Even when the code was added back in, it doesn't work. It's the end.

    If Flash is the reason you use the Web, you need to use a computer that is supported by Adobe, or use an older browser. Again, good luck.

  8. Cameron Kaiser closed this discussion on 14 Jan, 2013 05:53 PM.

  9. nanook re-opened this discussion on 14 Jan, 2013 06:41 PM

  10. 6 Posted by nanook on 14 Jan, 2013 06:41 PM

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    If it were Flash, then Opera and Safari would blow up, but they don't,
    they're just slow. Also, WHEN it blows up is when I use the scroll bar on
    the browser to view the rest of the lyrics.

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    On Mon, 14 Jan 2013, Cameron Kaiser wrote:

    > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:53:18 -0500
    > From: Cameron Kaiser
        <[email blocked]>
    > To: [email blocked]
    > Subject: Re: TenFourFox 17.0.1 / 17.0.2 Crash Bug [Problems #321]
    >
    > // Add your reply above here
    ==================================================
    From: Cameron Kaiser
    Subject: TenFourFox 17.0.1 / 17.0.2 Crash Bug

    Firefox is not Flash. Your beef is with Adobe, not with us. Flash hasn't been maintained, has crash bugs of its own that are not fixed independent of this one, has security bugs that will never be repaired, and many sites no longer support Flash 10.1. Mozilla doesn't maintain Flash, and neither do we.

    This shouldn't be news -- TenFourFox has not supported plugins since version 6 and people turning them back on was always advertised as unsupported. If someone told you this was supported by us, you were misled; there's a reason it's hidden behind a programmer switch. The back door was left as a transitional means which is now coming to an end, and plugins won't work at all in 19+ because Mozilla removed the support for Carbon and QuickDraw plugins which virtually all PPC-compatible ones are based on. Even when the code was added back in, it doesn't work. It's the end.

    If Flash is the reason you use the Web, you need to use a computer that is supported by Adobe, or use an older browser. Again, good luck.

    View this Discussion online: http://tenfourfox.tenderapp.com/discussions/problems/321-tenfourfox-1701-1702-crash-bug

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  11. Support Staff 7 Posted by Cameron Kaiser on 14 Jan, 2013 06:57 PM

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    I can only politely suggest that you should use those browsers instead, since they appear to work better for the purpose you require. The Mozilla plugin environment has changed significantly since Firefox 3.6, so I'm not surprised that the other browsers work fine.

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