Crash on Amazon.com
TFF crashed 3 times on the Amazon.com web page this morning. The problem may be reproducible. It is on my system, anyway.
This is the crash report that could have been sent to Apple:
[report moved to message 3 below ––Chris]
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30 Posted by Kathi on 30 Mar, 2013 06:15 PM
I often get the impression that the crashes on Amazon happen when I push the browser to work too fast, especially scrolling. But, FWIW, I have had a couple of fairly long sessions on Amazon with all plugins disabled, and no crash. So Chris, you may be right about the source of the problem and I apologize, regardless, for losing my religion about plugins. :) But the Internet is no good for me without Flash, and I sometimes need the Java plugin and probably the Quicktime plugin too. Since I worry about constantly enabling/disabling them (not to mention forgetting to),
I've begun to experiment with a new two-browser strategy using Opera for YouTube, audio streaming, Facebook where necessary, etc., and TenFourFox for everything else. So far the two browsers are playing together nicely, but that's an early assessment. Hopefully the dual-browser approach will serve until I can buy my Mini.
Support Staff 31 Posted by Chris (chtrusch... on 31 Mar, 2013 12:34 AM
Kathi, sometimes the loss of Flash is a nuisance for me, too, but it's unavoidable if we want to use a secure default browser. Also, technically speaking, Mozilla killed support for all old plugins recently (and all we have is old plugins here on PPC Macs), so the browser versions after TFF 17 won't run any plugins at all even if we wanted them to.
The two-browser strategy is something I use as well for websites that insist on Flash. Only I have Safari 5, which is still quite recent on Leopard (plus I will keep a copy of TFF 17.0.x around forever), and I use the latest TFF 19 as my default browser.
More importantly, there are ways to substitute Flash, and they're working better than I expected. YouTube HTML 5 and a download extension serve me quite well. Facebook videos are really plain .mp4 in a stupid Flash container; you can download them with http://en.savefrom.net/ or http://www.downvids.net/ . The audio streaming website I use most (probably irrelevant to you since it's a German radio station) has begun to offer an mp3 option if no Flash is detected, and I hope others will follow. Many German news portals are Flash-only, but I found that I'm saving a lot of time if I just read the text and don't also watch the video since it's mostly redundant.
PDFs are rendered in the browser and don't need a plugin anymore. Java is dead by now (any website still requiring it is irresponsible security-wise), and the QuickTime and WMV plugins will meet their Shockwave and Real collegues in Plugin Heaven very soon as well.