I don't have an explanation for you about the speed, other than
to say that there were no changes made I am aware of that would
affect performance, but the bug repaired by 10.0.9 was publicly
released and can cause the browser to be exploited or leak data.
For this reason it is imperative for people to update.
If you like, you can try 17 beta and see if this is faster for
you. Although it is a beta, it is generally safe for day to day
use, and 17.0 will replace the TenFourFox 10 series in November.
However, I would strongly advise against using any version of
TenFourFox 10 before 10.0.9.
I'm going to need a benchmark or objective measurement before I
can explore this further, and bear in mind with 17 around the
corner, the most likely suggestion will still be to update when it
becomes available. I can't reproduce any noticeable difference on
my test units between 10.0.7, 10.0.8 and 10.0.9.
I have 1.33 ghz G4 iBook/512mb RAM, also 7450 build. Yes this is
ridiculously low RAM, but the point is I had no problems with
10.0.7. I really have no way of benchmarking, but I simply cannot
load the same sites I was using before in any reasonable time. Am
constantly force-quitting & relaunching.
There is such an extreme difference that I wonder about 17, if
your test units have shown no differences. I'm sure your test units
have a lot more RAM.
They do. If the RAM ceiling is the issue, you're going to find
that problem more and more. I'm considering not supporting any less
than 1GB of RAM for 18+, for example, and 512MB is already a very
tight fit for 10 and 17. None of the test systems here have less
than 1.25GB. While I support 512MB systems still, I only support
them insofar as to make sure they work. Performance is another
The iBook you have can take up to 1.5GB (I have the same iBook,
running 10.0.9 and 17 beta with a full RAM loadout) and a 1GB
SO-DIMM for it will be around $50 well-spent.
I have bought the RAM, just haven't gotten around to installing
it yet (MUCH less than $50, btw.) But the reason people are using
TenFourFox is that they are using older machines with less RAM. Why
not take this into account with your upgrades?
Because the point of TenFourFox is to bring as modern a browser
as possible to Power Macs, and that's going to require more memory
to do so as we need to upgrade system libraries and compilers, as
well as dealing with the rapidly growing Mozilla code base.
When it gets to a point where more RAM is required than the
majority of machines are capable of, then we'll have to have that
discussion. But we're not to that point yet.
Jonathan, I would accept a comparison between Dromaeo,
SunSpider, V8 or Peacemaker on the relevant versions showing a
statistically significant regression. But if you're seeing issues
with 17 also, I really don't know what to tell you. My internal
example, so there is an obvious difference between your system and
my test bank. (TenFourFox is tested routinely on four machines
Actually, this is a new topic, but I am adding it here since I
have a history with you.
I installed 17beta and did not have any of the slowness, but it
would quit often enough to be annoying. Haven't complained since it
is beta. Then I installed my 1gb ram stick & a new battery
& can't get my 1.33 ibook to start up. So I got out my older G4
ibook 1.2 which I haven't used for awhile. Installed 10.0.10 on it,
but am getting gmail messages that I need to upgrade my browser to
use gmail features. So I just tried to download 17 beta & get
/Users/sharonboothby/Desktop/V35LmCbO.zip.part could not be
saved, because the source file could not be read.
Try again later, or contact the server administrator.
I had tried it 3 times before I contacted you. I switched to Opera,
which gives me all the features of Gmail, but was so slow I could not
stand it. So I tried downloading your 17 beta again & it worked. No
idea what was different. Anyway, why am I now unable to get all the
features of Gmail? Had no problem on my other iBook but it was running
10.5 and this one is 10.4.11. But the whole point of TenFourFox is to
run on 10.4, right?
I replied to your other copy of this question, but for people
tracking this ticket specifically, I have no explanation for why it
would work one day and not the next. FTR, I'm logged into Gmail
right now with the current 17 beta. It's not superfast on a G4, but
it does work, so I can't replicate your issue here either.
Are you positive this is the only application you're having
trouble with? Opera is no speed demon, but it shouldn't be as slow
as you describe either. It certainly isn't on my own iBook